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Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:42:00 - [1] Originally by: Skywalker Edited by: Skywalker on 24/01/2007 15:12:36 Hmm, i don't agree with you on this one Tiller. I think a 25 bill ship should be as hard as this to kill. Still its doable, if you bump him with bs's and use neutralizers to get his cap down below cyno jump ability. Don't know how many bs's it would take, but my guess is 5-10 BS's with mwd's and 4 Neutralizers each would do the trick along with a dread or 2. If you fit the BS's with smartbombs then you can probably handle ogre drones or similar that the mothership probably is using in low sec empire. This would ofcourse be hard to pull off, but killing one would be nice. Buying a mothership is atm out of my league, but it is my next goal ingame so hopefully i will be there someday. Until that pirating in a dread works pretty well also. Not true Outbreak tried the bump method and the mass of the Nyx made their efforts futile
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.25 03:42:00 - [2] Originally by: Xendie 6-10 carriers+neuts+nos 6-10 bumpers with nos cyno in some dreads and go to town its doable tiller, its just not doable with your little gatecamp drake. you have to scale up. Every thing seems easier on paper Show me a vid of an explosion and then we'll talk
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.25 04:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Rachel Vend Remember kids. If you can't gank it with less than 100 million ISK in 30 seconds, it's overpowered and must be nerfed! I guess the point of this post just blew over your head didn't it?
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.25 13:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Xendie 6-10 carriers+neuts+nos 6-10 bumpers with nos cyno in some dreads and go to town its doable tiller, its just not doable with your little gatecamp drake. you have to scale up. Every thing seems easier on paper Show me a vid of an explosion and then we'll talk well im just going on what lemonde said in the titan thread wich made sense and downscaled it a little. so tell him that his idea sucks. it is however the most likely idea and it looks doable. you will however never kill any mothership/titan in your gatecamp drake. Of course I won't kill any mothersip/titan in my gatecamp drake, because im a belt pirate that is anti caldari How do you know so much about be you little stalker you
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.25 22:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Gix Firebrand The complaining just never seems to stop. Again, not exactly the terror inspiring image of a pirate. I didn't see any thread saying eve is 100% perfect so there must be things that people want changed. Asking for a change is natural when something just doesn't add up. Ex: the price of invincibility is 30 billion? I'd think the price of invincibility would be much much much higher to be completely honest so kindly go away and stfu all because we pew pew doesn't mean that we feel every thing is 100% ok with the game
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.29 17:34:00 - [6] Originally by: Karash Amerius Capital ships are needed to take out other Capital ships optimally. I dont see why a group of 20 Dreads couldn't gank a mothership...with the right support ships (covert ops, etc). At least thats my opinion. Because when the first 5 start jumping in I'm sure you'd start getting nervous and jump out Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:03:00 - [7] Ok all you tactical geniuses go kill a mother ship and I will eat my hat. Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Ok all you tactical geniuses go kill a mother ship and I will eat my hat. QFT. Ok since dr slice said he will eat my hat please send him the killmail and I'll send him the hat Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: kublai What can miz do to harm YOU in his ONE ship? What can miz's one ship do to harm YOU that I can't with 10 battleships on my tail? If you kill miz's drones he loses nearly half a billion isk, and killing fighter drones is NOT hard, after that it's just a fancy smartbomb, hardly an impressive ship. Miz can camp a gate REALLY REALLY well, you know what, a few bs will be just as efficient camping that same gate. What imbalance does he cause? You can't kill him? Is this the same as you can't inflict losses on him? Killing his drones loses him half a billion isk..that is ALOT to risk, that is putting a very great amount of money on the line. And considering how much damage this ship can do to an entity in low sec (a laughable amount, it's a toy and tool, not a solo empire) i'd say he stands to lose more tham most. And no, my corporation does not camp gates in a nyx, we don't own one, miz has it, and again, before anyone brings it up, he paid VERY handsomly to fly it. Considering what miz has paid to fly it, and how easy it is to cause him hundreds of million isk in losses, considering the limitations that will ALWAYS apply to one man and one ship, I really fail to see the imbalance, I do however, see a great deal of jealousy. I hope one day to fly a Nyx myself, not as a gate camping solo ship, but as a tool in war, it wont win any battles on it's own, but it is a nice addition to a combat fleet, that's it, a nice addition. You can get off his nuts now Kublai are you going cowgirl or reverse cowgirl? and let the flames begin (triple sunglasses) Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Gix Firebrand Go back to COAD and flame BoB somemore. You've broken rule #2 btw. And I will let it be known I really don't care that much about the alliance drama that is going on right now I just have this as my sig because witch hunts are loller coasters in action Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:01:00 - [11] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 02/02/2007 18:00:11 Originally by: Gix Firebrand Not really? I like to solo, hence why I haven't joined a corp yet. Besides, most pirate corps aren't up to my standards. If you really want a rush, try pirating solo in a NPC corp. Now that crap is exiciting :D I'm in a 1 man corp its like an npc corp without the corp chat And as for my posts not having any point that may be true for 75% of them and the majority of them on this forum but I do my duty to post things that are constructive from time to time so don't pre judge me Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:09:00 - [12] To all tactical geniuses my offer remains kill an ewar immune mother ship and I will eat my hat. Until Boundless Creation completes the Nano-galfar I doubt an MS will be going down anytime soon since it has a built in omni wcs Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:33:00 - [13] Originally by: kublai Originally by: Marcus TheMartin To all tactical geniuses my offer remains kill an ewar immune mother ship and I will eat my hat. Until Boundless Creation completes the Nano-galfar I doubt an MS will be going down anytime soon since it has a built in omni wcs Marcus, do you know: 1. What a fighter drone is 2. What a fighter drone costs 3. How many fighter drones a mothership deploys in combat 4. How easy/hard fighter drones are to come by 5. How difficult it is to kill a fighter drone 6. How many fighter drones have been killed to date in eve If no to one or more of these questsion, visit a random wiki and get a clue before you reply. 1.Yes 2. 17-25 mill last time I checked 3. Depends on the Setup and the mothership pilots carrier skill 4. Depends on what rescources are available to the pilot but market wise they are a ***** to get from there so it would be best to have a contact that sells them in bulk 5. Not very 6. You can't be a cheater and ask a question that no one knows thats not playing fair Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:16:00 - [14] Originally by: kublai Absolute rubbish, a mothership is a corporate utility box, if you really think a mothership is going to solo own your corporation, you're outta luck Out of luck of being lucky enough to be owned by a ms? I guess I'm in luck of being lucky enough to have my corp get owned by an ms Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:25:00 - [15] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 02/02/2007 20:21:32 Originally by: kublai Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: kublai Absolute rubbish, a mothership is a corporate utility box, if you really think a mothership is going to solo own your corporation, you're outta luck Out of luck of being lucky enough to be owned by a ms? I guess I'm in luck of being lucky enough to have my corp get owned by an ms Pretty sure your corp has been owned by alot of other things too marcus. Let's start nerfing them all, it's unfair that your 1 man corp shouldnt be able to compete with all the other corps, you pay too! Actually I haven't died or lost a ship since I left mafia maybe my luck is back Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Celestal Motherships should be for real pvpers no reason for them to enter low sec I take offense to that statement Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.03 15:26:00 - [17] I still don't get why it is immune to scrambling humans can't make things flawless. calls boundless creation to make a nano-galfar Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Davlin Lotze Originally by: welsh wizard Tbh kublai your viewpoint is just a little too comfortable to be debating this. You're arguing it so fervently because you want your sensor boosted monster to continue ganking battleships by the hundreds at some low-sec chokepoint. If you'd step away from the bias just a little you may realise that there is no hope of removing said ship from that gate unless it chooses to leave. That ship, when in empire goes where it pleases, kill what it pleases and there is no price to pay. Lost fighters? Hah! This game isn't about material loss its about overcoming your opponent and basking in the knwledge that you've set about their demise. That ship ignores these points, goes where it wants, does what it pleases and doesn't pay the price. It has to change. You fail in this thread because you want things balanced with the "trophy" momship killmail as the standard. It is NOT the appropriate standard for reasons stated in this thread many times. In fact, NOTHING has to change. Ask MC or MM if they think things should change. Were their recent fights involving moms lacking in any way? Indeed it was the MC mom that had to leave the field and jump out if memory serves after losing two regular carriers. Fleeing the field is hardly the role of the overpowered zomg pwnmobile. Your pursuit of the holy grail of the momship killmail is blinding you to reason. 8-( Thats the problem the Mother Ship can ALWAYS take off when things go unfavorably for them in low sec space because dictor bubbles aren't allowed 0.0 is different Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.04 04:49:00 - [19] So is there a reason presented in this thread that says why you shouldn't be able to scramble an MS aside from the "You can kill its fighters" argument. Because I mean sure you can throw out money figures and all but think about it proportionately Going to use gallente ships for this example Vexor you can kill its drones and scramble (not that expensive of a ship and maybe 14 mill in drones) Ishkur 20 mill + Drones and it results in the kill its drones scramble it and let it die Dominix 60 mill + Drones resulting in kill the drones and watch it die Ishtar 200 mill + Drones still resulting in kill the drones (a lot more drones) and watch it die Thantanos 1-2 billion + Fighters but the same rules apply Nyx 14 - 30 billion + Fighters and officer mods but the rules change. The price of invulnerability is that cheap? (as in invulnerability should be priceless) I have never seen or fought a mother ship but I still don't get what was the theory behind making what was designed as a support ship able to run away all the time if that is the case make the Guardian, Onieros, Scimitar, and Basilisk immune to warp scrambling Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Mangold http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=476875 I saw this link comming once I read that thread. But please note they bubbled the sh!t out of helen and that can't be done in lowsec Never again are you allowed to whine about not training Combat Skills

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